Posts by Sea Breeze

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Have you seen a UFO/UAP?

by BoogerMan in

the acronym uap once stood for "unidentified aerial phenomena," until december 2022. .

then the pentagon updated its terminology to encompass "submerged and trans-medium objects.".

https://www.defense.gov/news/transcripts/transcript/article/3249303/usdis-ronald-moultrie-and-dr-sean-kirkpatrick-media-roundtable-on-the-all-domai/.

Sea Breeze

I believe that when Christians go up at the rapture, they come down. I think they will push some B.S. story about how they are our space daddies. The atheists and elites will lap it up.

Richard Dawkins:

"It’s safe to assume, says Dawkins, that if we ever have contact with extraterrestrial life from outside our solar system, it will be intelligent. That’s because of the huge distances between Earth and other planets. But beyond that, this may be the only thing we have in common with aliens....Alien beings may be nothing like us – so if and when we meet, it’ll also transform our understanding of ourselves and the Universe we live in".

Compare the words of Atheist Richard Dawkins with God's Word:

And then shall that wicked one be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming— even him, whose coming is according to the working of Satan, with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all the deceit of unrighteousness in those who perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. - 2 Thess.

Believers already know how the Alien thingy will play out.

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Would Watchtower Actually Murder Members Who Question the F&DS If They Could?

by Sea Breeze in

imagine if the watchtower had their own country where they could do what they wanted.

do you think they would actually kill people who disagreed with them?

would the elders be willing to carry out the executions?what say you?.

Sea Breeze

She said that such persons were lucky that all they got was disfellowshipped and not executed.

When I hear accounts like this, I am very grateful that I made it out with my life and was able at age 40 to start over and produce two sons to carry on my name.

We were in a death cult. I beat the odds. Many others did not. May the Lord have mercy on those who paid the ultimate price.

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Would Watchtower Actually Murder Members Who Question the F&DS If They Could?

by Sea Breeze in

imagine if the watchtower had their own country where they could do what they wanted.

do you think they would actually kill people who disagreed with them?

would the elders be willing to carry out the executions?what say you?.

Sea Breeze

This famous experiment illustrates why it is extremely important to chose your authority figures with great care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzd6Ew3TraA

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Would Watchtower Actually Murder Members Who Question the F&DS If They Could?

by Sea Breeze in

imagine if the watchtower had their own country where they could do what they wanted.

do you think they would actually kill people who disagreed with them?

would the elders be willing to carry out the executions?what say you?.

Sea Breeze

@Touchof Grey - Religions, like governments, and organizatioins don't "do" anything. They are not animate beings. The people who make up such collaborations are the ones who "do" things.

It is the evil inherent in human nature that is the problem. Christ asks his collaborators to love their enemies, make peace whenever possible, use government for protection of the people (mainly military and police) , temper justice with mercy, and to do to others as you would have them do to you. Most of the freedoms we enjoy today in the West are a direct result of Christian culture and values. I am very thankful for that.

But, Watchtower doesn't really adhere to NT Christianity. They are not 'fundamentally" Christian. They cherrypick and misapply OT LAW to create a very rigid social system.

My question is whether or not people think that the elders would actually carry out real executions if asked to do so by the Governing Body if they could get away with.... like if they had their own country.

Personally, I think there is no doubt they would just like every Godless Totalitarian Leader that atheists have supported. Atheists killed hundreds of millions in the 20th century with their fundamental adherence to evolutionary tenets and comunist/fascist values. They basically exchanged what they viewed as "opiate of the masses" for poison for the masses. You have swallowed the Atheist/Watchtower lie about "religions".

Here is Watchtower's attitude on the matter according to the Insight Book:

The judicial excommunication, or disfellowshipping, of delinquents from membership and association in a community or organization. With religious societies it is a principle and a right inherent in them and is analogous to the powers of capital punishment, banishment, and exclusion from membership that are exercised by political and municipal bodies. In the congregation of God it is exercised to maintain the purity of the organization doctrinally and morally. The exercise of this power is necessary to the continued existence of the organization and particularly so the Christian congregation. The congregation must remain clean and maintain God’s favor in order to be used by him and to represent him. - Insight Book

They pretty much say here that expelling people is equivelent to execution, and that it is their "right" to administer "Capital Punishment". We all know that if ANY JW went around saying that Jesus was their personal Savior and invited others to allow Jesus in to their heart, they would be disfellowshipped faster than WT could collect cash from a KH sale to a Hare Krishna group.

From their own writings, I think it is reasonable to conclude that they would actually execute members if for example, they named Jesus as their personal Savior.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Diogenesister - the well known fantasy story written by an exjw - set after "Armageddon".

Haven't read that. Sounds very eye-opening though. Let me know if you can remember the name.

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Would Watchtower Actually Murder Members Who Question the F&DS If They Could?

by Sea Breeze in

imagine if the watchtower had their own country where they could do what they wanted.

do you think they would actually kill people who disagreed with them?

would the elders be willing to carry out the executions?what say you?.

Sea Breeze

Imagine if the Watchtower had their own country where they could do what they wanted. Do you think they would actually kill people who disagreed with them? Would the elders be willing to carry out the executions?

What say you?

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WATCHTOWER OCT '24: HOW TO BE A HAPPY WINDOW CLEANER

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/sbh213gbedo?si=ceeaip451t6i0zjp.

so as they say one picture is as strong as a thousand words and here you have it guys in the latest study edition of the watchtower for october 2024 that has just been posted on their website a middle aged jw window cleaner dreaming of the new system where things will get better.

why does the watchtower need to talk now about jws on minial self employed jobs?

Sea Breeze

There are far more sisters cleaning houses to help their low earning husbands make ends meet. This would have been a better picture and title.

How To Maintain a Submissive Attitude At Work

Banish foul urine smells from toilets with 'only thing that works' and costs 99p - Mirror Online

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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

by Sea Breeze in

a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

Sea Breeze

Here's an update from Astrophysicist Jason Lisle on the JWST and it is not looking good for Secularists. It devastates the Big Bang model..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOx7tbSLGk0

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Why the term "disfellowshipped " was removed

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/ags07jlopcy?si=g9ra1jqksuuauyax.

Sea Breeze

For all it's flaws in the past, at least the basic theology appeared to have some sort of internal "logic" and integrity. Now it's just change and tinker about with whatever you want to, from year to year, even if it messes up other stuff in the doctrine.

@ Journeyman

Their "logic" was always nuts in my opinion....Like deceiving everyone to reject the New Covenant which is specifically for the "forgiveness of sins" and not government positions? (See Mt. 26: 27-28)

Participation in the NC is how a person gets born again, which Jesus 3 times told Nicodemas a person must do.

Or maybe the "logical" teaching that Jesus is an angel? Kinda hard to invite the spirit of the Lord into our heart if he is really only an angel.

if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8: 9

Whatever "logic" the WT may have, it only appeals to the flesh and guarantees condemnation.

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"Slave" is confused about the start of judgment!

by BoogerMan in

(1 peter 4:17) "...it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of god.".

w04 3/1 p. 16 par.

15 - "....christ jesus...in 1918, he came to god’s spiritual temple and fulfilled peter’s words: “it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of god.” (1peter 4:17).

Sea Breeze

Romans 8 -

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The judgement in 1 Peter 4: 17 is whether or not a person is born again and walking after the Spirit. It probably also includes the judgment of unbelievers on Jerusalem in 70 AD that Jesus famously predicted: "not a stone will be left on a stone" of the temple.

When the temple was burned the gold melted and the Roman soldiers pried the stones apart to get it in a rather dramatic fulfillment of his prophecy.

What is not meant (to the shame of Watchtower) is that Christians in the Church Age are under some sort of judgment. To the contrary, Christians are under Grace, not Law during the Church Age, if indeed they are born again. Professing Christians should check to make sure.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus - Romans 8: 1

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Ages of each user here?

by ukpimo in

jw
friends

i'm interested to know the age demographics here.

it must be significantly different to other exjw forums.

it would be a damning report for watchtower if most of us appear to have left for decades.. you don't have to mention your exact age, you could always say "in my 50s".. i am in my 70s.

Sea Breeze

I’m 61